Friday, April 11, 2008

Pope Says "No" to WYD Vestments

I've gotten out of posting news, but this hasn't made the blogosphere yet. So here it is:

From The Australian:
Pope Rejects Garment Design (Excerpt Below)

THE Pope has decided he will not wear the vestments specially designed for World Youth Day and billed as "chic clergy couture" on the WYD website.

The "earthy-red" coloured vestments feature the Southern Cross constellation on the front and an indigenous feature titled "Marjorie's Bird" on the back.

The Pope is known to dislike vestment symbols that are not explicitly Christian. He may, though, wear some variation on the vestment design, a WYD spokeswoman said.

The snub may be the first of many in the clash of cultures between the liturgically and theologically conservative Pope Benedict XVI and the exuberance of the youth day.

Conservative liturgist Father Tim Deeter has already left Sydney and his WYD choirmaster position because of "stress", a WYD spokesman said.


Moonshadow said...

This is off-topic, I'm sorry, but I have a question ...

At recent visits to other churches (one Baptist and one Presbyterian), I had the fortune of observing their celebration of the Lord's Supper.

These were small congregations, so the elements were distributed to everyone and then everyone consumed simultaneously, even the presider (presbyter) and ushers (deacons).

This morning, I noticed for the first time that our priest consumes first, then the extraordinary ministers, then congregants in procession.

From your former Protestant perspective, would a Protestant be offended that the elements at a Catholic service aren't consumed communally, that is, by everyone at the same time?

Matt said...

Growing up, my experience was we all consumed at exactly at the same time, as our pastor said "Do this, in remembrance of me." we would eat the bread. As he said "Drink ye all of it." we would drink the grape juice.

I believe, but I'm not sure that the local Methodists went up to the front to receive (I could be wrong). When I saw Catholics stand in line to receive I honestly just thought "Thats how they do it."

And honestly as I got older (teenage years) my perspective didn't change. It was never mentioned by adults either in any Bible study or Church service. I think the reason is this: Protestants do not take communion very seriously. We didn't really care how you did it because it was just a symbol.

In fact, some Protestant ecclessial communities buy an all in one communion plastic cup with wafer that you give out and then at communion time everyone opens their little package and eats/drink it. Its really kind of offensive from a Catholic perspective now that I think about it.

We had one big loaf of bread that got passed through the pews. As it came by you, you tore off a piece of it. For the grape juice, it was pre-poured into tiny little silver cups and they were passed out after we ate the bread. We had little cup holders on the backs of our pews to put them in when finished. I remember quite vividly the noise it made when everyone was done because the church was filled with clicking noises of everyone putting their cups into the holders. I used to sit there and PURPOSELY jiggle the cup to make the noise last extra long.

So there it is. We honestly did not take it seriously enough to care one way or the other how Catholics did it.

Moonshadow said...

I appreciate your reflections, Matt.

Right, Methodists file up ... not as much emphasis on "priesthood of all believers" there.

Its really kind of offensive from a Catholic perspective now that I think about it.

Because it hasn't been in contact with the altar.

the noise it made when everyone was done

Yes, the church I visited Easter Sunday morning, the clicking noise echoed. Not unlike, during the N.O., kneelers clicking up and clunking down during and after mass.

Only fairly recently had I understood about the cup holder on the back of the pew, because, for the longest time, I thought it was a strange spot for pens! Knowing only that Protestants take sermon notes ...

to care one way or the other how Catholics did it.

Right, I just mean if you attended mass, say, with a friend, would the sequential nature of communion strike you as "yet another aspect" that made Catholicism somehow untrue: that the priest receives solo & first, etc.

Thanks again.

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